Wednesday, January 24, 2007

Rabbis Preach Guilt in Catholic Schools

"Rabbi Larry" of the American Jewish Committee catechizes Catholic Goyim on the "wicked," "antisemitic" nature of their religion prior to Nostra Aetate.



Did you know that the misnamed Anti-Defamation League disseminates it's guilt-inducing hasbara in Catholic schools in the U.S. with the full support and cooperation of the National Catholic Educators Association and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops?

The ADL website explains:

"Since its inception, (the ADL program) 'Bearing Witness' has trained over 700 Catholic school teachers across North America. Its growing popularity can best be judged by it becoming an ADL nationally sponsored program in 1998, the fact that ADL regional offices began replicating the program in 2002, and now a new and exciting extension that finds educators expanding their learning in Israel."

http://www.adl.org/bearing_witness/default.asp



Here's how one mind-washed victim of the program described it:

"This program completely tears you apart and puts you back together again," reports [social studies teacher at St. Catherine of Sienna school in Horsham, Pa., Jennifer] Kugler, as she described an intense week in Washington last July.

"On the first day, we learned the history of anti-Judaism, how it evolved into anti-Semitism, and what the Church did to promote and encourage it," she explained.

"We then learned how the Nuremberg Laws have striking parallels to the Edicts of the Popes from 400 years earlier. Then, they tear you down further by showing you examples of anti-Judaism in the New Testament. Now, you are really in pain."

Kugler described the rest of the week, which included two trips to the Holocaust Memorial Museum, addresses by Holocaust survivors, a visit to a local synagogue, and a "mock" Shabbat dinner -- on Monday.

"Finally, we learned about modern-day anti-Semitism, and the importance of Israel to Jewish people," she said. "At this point, we feel we wanted and needed to do something ...

Kugler said she and her classmates feel the "Bearing Witness" Program has been truly transformative. And after experiencing the March of the Living, Kugler said she is eager to return to her students at the St. Catherine of Siena school. ("For Catholic school teachers, an emotional trip to Poland," Howard Blas, The Jewish Ledger, Wednesday, May 25, 2005)


http://www.jewishledger.com/articles/2005/05/25/news/news08.txt


The American Jewish Committee runs a parallel program, the "Catholic Jewish Educational Enrichment Program."

http://www.ajcsanfrancisco.org/site/c.irKPIUPFIsE/b.877069/k.C187/CJEEP.htm

I've contacted the ADL and AJC about having Michael A. Hoffman teach a reciprocal program in U.S. yeshivas on the wicked, anti-Christian nature of Judaism and how the Nuremburg Laws have striking parallels to the racial supremacist edicts of the racial supremacist rabbis. No response has been received so far.

70 comments:

titurator veritatis said...

Thank you for this blog and these posts. The deception and deceit that afflicts us is massive. I am resolved to combat this haze that oppresses the West and obviously information is the key. I hope you know that there is a bill before congress that seeks to require all blogs with over 500 participants to be registered with the gov't. I urge you to research the implications of this bill.

Itzchak said...

Wow, what a waste of energy.
Don't you have something better to do with your life than spread venom and try to defend a myth about a jewish guy and the unbelievable virgin birth .

paul_dang100 said...

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and prove to us that Jesus and the Virgin Birth is a "myth"? Just a lot of hot air, itzchak!!

Itzchak said...

The onus of proof for something unbelievable is upon the believer in the unbelievable...
The fact that Saul/Paul never even met Jesus is significant. It's all a false creation. You really think a virgin birth is something that happens....?
Of course they just discovered a Komodo (sp?) dragon can self fertilize, but that doesn't carry to human beings.

paul_dang100 said...

Yawn! Just the same old false objections, and your arguments don't even hold water. And nobody who reads this blog in the first place will be interested to hear your objections to Jesus, especially because of your bland and illogical arguments.

Itzchak said...

It is illogical to say that it's weird that a religion was created by Saul who never met the main person of the religion?
And it's illogical to say that virgin births never happen and it's weird to base a religion on something that is in itself illogical?
Oh, I see, you believe some Jewish woman was impregnated by G-d.
And I'm illogical?

paul_dang100 said...

Yawn. Your objections have been answered in the past. There is no need to answer them again. If you are insincere and hardheaded, then you'll never see why we accept the Virgin Birth and all that.

And why are you taking potshots here? Why don't you do it somewhere else?

paul_dang100 said...

BTW, illogical has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine. Just because we can't fully understand many doctrines doesn't mean it's illogical.

Itzchak said...

My sincere friend....
The definition of illogical is that it can not be understood....
Please tellme where these objections have been addressed in the past?

paul_dang100 said...

Give it up already. If you want to debate, do it in a forum. This is a blog. We're only to comment on the article. And your comment is a waste of time, just attacking our religion. Nothing else.

Itzchak said...

And this blog is a waste of time attacking someone else's religion.
Not only that it's the religion of your mythical messiah.

paul_dang100 said...

Yawn. You attack us, only using St. Paul. Yet you neglect the Gospels and historical documents of the era, which show that Jesus Christ did indeed live and die during Pontius Pilate's governorship. Yawn. You are just another rationalist, just set out to attack the Catholic Church without truly examining Here claims.

paul_dang100 said...

And it is attacking Judaism for its attacks against the Catholic Church, for its errors. And it is not a waste of time. I'm through with you. You haven't offered any real objection at all, just like the Rationalists.

Maurice Pinay said...

... Don't you have something better to do with your life ...

You apparently have nothing better to do with your life than bother with people who you accuse of having nothing much to do with their life ... hypocrisy

... than spread venom ...

Hypocrisy.

The venom is in the Talmud. It's not venomous to expose Talmudic venom.

... and try to defend a myth...

My dear friend, itzchak, there is not a more superstitious, myth ridden religion than the one you are here in defense of, rabbinic Judaism. You apparently are unable to see the cartoonish hypocrisy of the position you've taken. Others, like myself, are able to see it with great clarity.

Go back to the rabbis and their more believable (?!?!) myths about talking trees and stones and a lion who roared so loud that all the pregnant women of Rome gave birth to monsters and the walls of the city crumbled. These myths, and the myriad of others like them, are apparently better suited for you.

... about a jewish guy ...

Yes, Christ was Jewish, not a Khazar, which is what you most likely are.

...and the unbelievable virgin birth ...


This objection carries no weight, but does reveal a great deal of hypocrisy coming from a defender of a religion which teaches that Eve was impregnated by a serpent.

Thanks for the teaching opportunity itzchak! I hope that you will provide many others.

Itzchak said...

"Go back to the rabbis and their more believable (?!?!) myths about talking trees and stones and a lion who roared so loud that all the pregnant women of Rome gave birth to monsters and the walls of the city crumbled. These myths, and the myriad of others like them, are apparently better suited for you."

Midrash is never taken factually. Nobody claims these things actually happened.


"This objection carries no weight, but does reveal a great deal of hypocrisy coming from a defender of a religion which teaches that Eve was impregnated by a serpent."
The Bible and Judaism does not say/teach that Judaism does not teach that Eve was impregnated by a serpent."

You don't think the virgin birth is a myth???!!! that's astounding...

Maurice Pinay said...

Midrash is never taken factually. Nobody claims these things actually happened.

The response is disingenuous.

But for the sake of argument I'll cut to the chase and ask you to explain what pearls of spiritual wisdom the rabbis seek to impart through a fable about a lion which roared so loud that women bore monsters, the walls of Rome fell down and people's teeth fell out.

...You don't think the virgin birth is a myth???!!! that's astounding...

We won't be debating Christian doctrine here, itzchak, as the rigged debate, "critical analysis" and plain ridicule of Christianity is taking place everywhere through the efforts of your co-religionists and their useful idiots. I suggest you go watch television, read a newspaper, see a movie, attend a college lecture, etc., etc. You'll find what you're looking for there in abundance. Or better yet, crack open the Talmud if you're seeking the source of it all.

I will say I find the Pantheistic Judaic belief that Khazars and mamzers who today call themselves "Jews" have an additional soul which non-"Jews" do not have which is "a part of God above" to be pretty unbelievable and quite laughable. I find the claim to Israelite descendancy after 2000 years of dispersion throughout the world to be a joke, quite frankly.

You don't really believe that racist Pantheistic stuff, do you itzchak?

Itzchak said...

"what pearls of spiritual wisdom the rabbis seek to impart through a fable about a lion which roared so loud that women bore monsters, the walls of Rome fell down and people's teeth fell out."

I actually don't know and without seeing the Midrash in its context, can't even offer a suggestion.

But it is very clear that nobody thinks this really happenned.
It's as unbelievable as the virgin birth.

.....

"We won't be debating Christian doctrine here, itzchak, as the rigged debate, "critical analysis" and plain ridicule of Christianity is taking place everywhere"

Most of the plain ridicule that I have encountered has been offered by ex-christians. Though it's not hard to see why. If you create a religion based on a weird fabrication and then imbue it with a theology that says that the only way to redemption is to believe in some jewish guy (who probably didn't exist) dying for you....

"I find the claim to Israelite descendancy after 2000 years of dispersion throughout the world to be a joke, quite frankly."

The Jews today are descendants of 2 of the original 12 tribes. What we are witnessing with this amazing return is basically the actualization of the variety of prophecies that were recorded in the books of the Prophets.
And the joke is on the christian myth which is having its worst nightmare occur in front of its eyes.

"You don't really believe that racist Pantheistic stuff, do you itzchak?"
The quote about the extra soul is from one source, I believe. (Sefer Tanya) I actually don't believe it.


January 26, 2007 4:15 PM

paul_dang100 said...

Please stop your attacks on the Catholic religion. Is this what you do in your free time, provoke people who don't agree with you at all? You must have a boring life if you just care to degrade Christianity on a blog just for Catholics.

paul_dang100 said...

"The Jews today are descendants of 2 of the original 12 tribes. What we are witnessing with this amazing return is basically the actualization of the variety of prophecies that were recorded in the books of the Prophets.
And the joke is on the christian myth which is having its worst nightmare occur in front of its eyes."

Now this is a joke here. You're just promoting Zionist Judaism, whether you believe it or not. Jews in the past incited persecution and always were the ones to question what you call the "Christian myth," even though you and they don't understand our doctrines at all.

Save your useless attacks. They are not worthy of being refuted at all.

Itzchak said...

Of course I believe in zionist Judaism. I was born in Israel.
This blog is a constant attack on Judaism. Is that what catholics do?

Itzchak said...

"even though you and they don't understand our doctrines at all."
I have post doctoral degrees and usually don't have trouble understanding things...
The reason 'we' don't understand your doctrines is that they are not understandable. They are in the realm of weird science fiction.
The Creator does not impregnate Jewish women and then make redemption conditional upon believing in some Jewish guy's dying for everyone's sins.
That's complete foolishness.

paul_dang100 said...

That you admit that you believe in Zionist Judaism is all I needed to know. Its past history of atrocities is too well known for me.

What we Catholics attack is your falsehoods concerning our religion and your racist hatred of the Arabs.

paul_dang100 said...

BTW, your ancestors, because they shared your views, always persecuted Christians, incited Nero against them, and always were plotting one conspiracy after another. The Muslim invasion and conquest of Spain was due to Jewish treachery.

Stop claiming that you're the victims.

Itzchak said...

Which falsehoods concerning your religion?
It's not a falsehood to say that the Creator does not impregnate woman and that a Jewish guy is not the only way to redemption.
That's just common sense.
And fortunately, we're not the victims any more.

paul_dang100 said...

"Fortunately, we're not the victims anymore."

No, you aren't, because you were always the aggressors, hiding under the mask of victims.

And you don't explain this "common sense" that Jesus isn't the way to redemption at all. You don't read the Scriptures at all, attempting to explain the prophecies by having it refer to modern Israel. And I will note that referring to Our Lord Jesus Christ as "some Jewish guy" is very blasphemous here and will not be tolerated, unlike in the politically-correct US and in Israel.

Itzchak said...

Have you ever been to the Holy Land.
It's fascinating when the Christian tour guides point out that the location for the churchof the Holy sepulchre and the various other christian places were determined 300 years after the supposed events by a psychic brought in by Queen Helena.

That's not a historical basis for anything.

paul_dang100 said...

Again with your distortions. A "psychic" indeed? It's nothing but lies you've been spouting. Why don't you all do us a favor and go to another site, forum, etc., and spew your poison there?

Itzchak said...

I'm not making it up, that's how it's explained there by the non jewish tour guides...Have you been to the sepulchre or any of those sites?

paul_dang100 said...

And those non-Jewish guides are most likely not Christians, or if they are, they are truly misinformed. Many Christians don't know their religion nowadays, so it's not surprising that even tour guides are erroneous in relating certain stories.

Still, that does not pertain to the article at all. What the article shows is Jewish rabbis making Catholics feel ashamed of their religion. That you support it does not surprise me. This is the way it will always be: Judaism against Christianity, despite what people say.

Itzchak said...

Unfortunately christianity has very little to be proud of.
When it was in power it was a source of huge oppression.
Now when it is waning, it is a source of huge irrelevancy.

paul_dang100 said...

Yawn. Again with the attacks. Nothing new under the sun. It was Catholicism which allowed good civilization to flourish especially in the Western world and in the East as well, whereas Judaism has always persecuted Christians. I'm not proud at all of what my fellow members have done in the past, but that is not to say Christianity itself is wrong at all.

paul_dang100 said...

BTW, don't you have anything better to do than defend your Zionism in a small blog dedicated to traditional Catholics? We can argue back and forth all you want, but in the end, all we'll see is your prejudice, IMHO.

paul_dang100 said...

Also, you can have the last word if you want. It doesn't matter. I'm interested to see how the blogmaster will react to your posts.

Itzchak said...

"good civilization to flourish especially in the Western world and in the East"

-the feudal system, the middle ages was good civilization??!!
Some modicum of good civilization only developed when christianity lost its power over the masses.

This is not a blog for traditional catholics. If you see the list of topics, it's all obsessive stuff about Jews.

paul_dang100 said...

I'd said I'd leave the last comment for you, but it seems I was wrong. If you think this blog "is obsessed with Jews," it's because Jews are obsessed with trying to change Catholic doctrine and making Catholics feel ashamed of their religion. That is what is blog details, as well as members of the hierarchy hobnobbing with them, enemies of our Faith, as you are.

paul_dang100 said...

And yes, history shows the Middle Ages have flourished the best civilizations. Art, culture, etc., as well as the beliefs of the people. If you don't believe so, I understand, since the Jews were curbed of their power, the ones who were always plotting against the Church and Her protectors.

Pope St. Felix III said...

The only myth that I can think of that won't go away is the myth of the Holocaust!

I think we need a law against the denial of the historical fact of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ!

titurator veritatis said...

I love this diatribe by 'itzchak'

You say that you have a post doctoral degree and you carry on in such a manner? You have been found wanting. You are a servant of the zeitgeist and a usurper of the natural law. What would you have us do? Be gentile trash, second class citizens, slaves of the chosen? Do you truly believe that through human means and effort you have established your Utopia, borne on the backs of the gentile Nation States and through the various subversions of their creeds? We could live in peace but the chosen are pushing peoples into a corner through various proxies. It is indeed an amazing bewitchment that has fallen upon the West over the last 90 years but understand dear sir, some can and do see with remarkable circumspection.

Maurice Pinay said...

... I actually don't know and without seeing the Midrash in its context, can't even offer a suggestion ...

Hullin, 59b next to the
halakha for preparation of "holy" food for "holy people."

Btw, I don't know how you feel about being forced to pay into the kosher racket, but I personally am unhappy about having such nonsensical mandates hustled onto the food industry in my country to satisfy the religious idiocy of 2% of the population.

...But it is very clear that nobody thinks this really happenned ...

The texts don't make that clarification.

...It's as unbelievable as the virgin birth ...

You're a one trick pony, aren't you?

... Most of the plain ridicule that I have encountered has been offered by ex-christians ...

Most of the ridicule I've witnessed has been from so-called "Jews." It's a very important part of the Judaic tradition. If you live in the Zionist state, as you claim, you know this to be true. You know that it is customary for Orthodox "Jews" to spit at Christians when they feel they can get away with it.

... The Jews today are descendants of 2 of the original 12 tribes. ...

80-90% are descendants of Khazarian tribes. The rest are mamzers.

...What we are witnessing with this amazing return is basically the actualization of the variety of prophecies that were recorded in the books of the Prophets ...

Self-deluded pious nonsense.

We are witnessing Judaics themselves playing the horrific role of what they believe to be "the messiah," which only betrays Judaism's true nature as a religion of self-worship.

... The quote about the extra soul is from one source, I believe. (Sefer Tanya)

The response is disingenuous.

The racist extra soul dogma is found throughout the rabbinic canon.

Itzchak said...

"The writer Arthur Koestler alleged in a book (in The Thirteenth Tribe), that modern Ashkenazi Jews are of Khazarian ancestry rather than Semitic. According to Bernard Lewis:

This theory... is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.[9]

DNA studies demonstrate that Ashkenazi Y-Chromosome Jews originated in Middle Eastern populations, [10] as has the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[11] So although Khazars might have been absorbed into the Jewish population it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Ashkenazim. [12]"

Charles LeMay said...

Very informative post thanks!

Itzchak said...

Thanks...the insanity on this site would be disturbing if I thought anybody took this Maurice Pinay drivel seriously...

paul_dang100 said...

Yawn. "Scholars"? Yeah, "scholars" towing the Establishment line. Mr. Koestler and his wife was killed because of his controversial book, so there has to be something to it.

Yeah, attacking the Catholic religion is insanity and yet you insist on doing so because everyone else was doing it. And it does not surprise me that some people would support your Zionist stance, as horrible as it is. Taking over Palestine, even though none of your ancestors actually owned the land. Even some of your Zionist leaders admitted that the majority of the Jews were Ashkenzai, or not of the original 12 tribes.

paul_dang100 said...

I would also count Benjamin Freedman as opposing your precious "scholars", since he was also once a Zionist before he realized what they were up to, and abandoned their position.

Itzchak said...

Mr. Paul...
Ashkenazi doesn't mean it's not of the 12 tribes...it's the jews who went into europe after the spanish expulsion...the jews who went into north africa and the arab countries became the sefardim...
ashkenazim and sefardim are all descendants of the 12 tribes (actually 2 tribes) the other 10 have entered the world's population...
chances are you may be connected to one of the ten tribes.
I'm always amazed by 'christians' who hates jews and yet spend all their energy on studying about judaism. Deep down who knows what motivates them....

Itzchak said...

btw"This theory (about the Khazars). is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics...."
These are not 'my scholars'.
Esp. the ones in Arab countries...
-----------
And I didn't say attacking the Christian church is insanity.
I said christianity is insanity.

paul_dang100 said...

Well, that's the same thing: attacking Christianity as insanity. Well, I've got news for you: Zionist Judaism is the worst form of insanity. It has not produced one good fruit, except Israeli oppression of the Arabs, a racial superiority complex, and other such bad fruits. Yawn. You're just another schmoe who thinks he's all that, with attacking Christianity and showing your so-called scholarship.

And you say Christians hate Jews, but you have not shown this evidence at all. Traditional Catholics oppose Jewish errors, but still pray for the erring Jews. And you call that "hating"?!!! Preposterous rubbish. You'll never understand this! You show yourself more and more biased in a bad way.

paul_dang100 said...

All the objections you have stated against the Catholic religion have been answered time and time again, but you refuse to research into it, unlike other Catholics who have done research on your religion, especially on the Talmud. Even Rabbi Steinsaltz admits in the Talmud a spirit of fierce hatred of Christians.

paul_dang100 said...

There is no real proof that the Khazar theory is wrong. You have stated only articles. You haven't shown me the scientific sources at all.

Itzchak said...

Son...DNA is about as scientific as it gets..."DNA studies demonstrate that Ashkenazi Y-Chromosome Jews originated in Middle Eastern populations, [10] as has the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[11] So although Khazars might have been absorbed into the Jewish population it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Ashkenazim. [12]"

Itzchak said...

Paul:
You sound like you're a fairly young person. Sincere and misguided.
This may be of interest
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/

Itzchak said...

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/Mithraism.html

paul_dang100 said...

Yawn. All those so-called debunking is so artificial. It's been answered before. I'll bet it is just a repackaging of the old objections to Christianity. You can give me all the sites you think debunk Christianity. It won't matter. I am first and always a traditional Catholic. And despite what you think, traditional Catholics don't hate Jews, unlike those of your coreligionists or Zionists like Menachem Begin.

Itzchak said...

Do you have narcolepsy?

Itzchak said...

Here's an interesting article about 'traditional christians'

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=719

titurator veritatis said...

And here is the counter-point to itzchak's post; that is if he entertains counter-points at all.

http://www.cfnews.org/SPLC.htm

I really would suggest moving on to another forum itzchak because if you think anybody on this site would fall for the old (Mithraism) mystery religion canard then you better think again. It does speak volumes about you though---why not the cult of Isis itzchak?

Itzchak said...

"Our Lord Jesus Christ said, “He who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” Our Lord also commanded his Church, “Go forth and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. He who believes and is baptized will be saved. He who does not believe will be condemned.”"
It's this stuff that I must admit, gets my prophetic blood boiling.
All it's done is bring misery to the masses and darkness everywhere. The Creator is not as small minded as this 'theology' implies and certainly would not pick blind faith in some Jewish guy as the sole condition for human redemption.

titurator veritatis said...

itzchak

Look up invincible ignorance in any philosophical/epistemological dictionary for your answer because the way in which you are working does not allow intellectual humility and that is a prerequisite to understand the words of the God-man you find so incredulous.

Itzchak said...

but this so called 'god man' never even existed...it's a myth on the level of isis....

Itzchak said...

but this so called 'god man' never even existed...it's a myth on the level of isis....

Itzchak said...

My reading of the new testament is that it does not require 'intellectual humility' to understand it, but intellectual blindness to take it seriously.
I shudder when I hear the phrase Judeo-Christian...
The Christian part is so shallow and inane that it's a horrible insult to the depth and breadth of the Jewish tradition.
I have taught workshops in christian settings about Jewish teachings and the clergy and laypeople who have attended were amazed by the depth of discussion and understanding of the Bible that our tradition has developed.
Their comments about the paucity of real analysis that their intellectual tradition has engaged in was quite eye opening.

paul_dang100 said...

Yawn. That's because the clergy don't know the true Catholic teaching; they don't know any better. You just twist again and again Biblical passages to fit your false religion; it's what your spiritual ancestors did in the years after the destruction of Jerusalem. It's nothing new under the sun. Those of your religion who researched sincerely into the Catholic Church found the Jewish religion to be lacking and converted to Catholicism.

paul_dang100 said...

The Talmud takes intellectual blindness to understand it, not the New Testament. It takes such a racist approach that it is a wonder that it isn't called hate literature, because of its slanderous and blasphemous attacks on Our Lord and Our Lady; such filthy language!!!

titurator veritatis said...

Itzchak,

I see that you have not looked up invincible ignorance. It is also clear that you have ill will while also showing a pride that is not becoming when considering the Sacred Scriptures. You say you have taught workshops to Christians and you have found that their knowledge was insignificant. I suppose you have a good handle upon the Catholic exegetical tradition yourself eh? In any case, you are disingenuous for you take the failings of the few and project them upon all or at least the many that were present at that specific time. As I said in the previous post; you have a post doctoral degree? You comment presupposes that you have the correct understanding of your own tradition and that while also being dismissive of the Catholic tradition, you think that you have sufficiently grasped the Catholic tradition as well. Your argument is as simple as if one were to see a drunken sailor stumble out of a bar in full dress uniform that, following the 'traditions' and rumors surrounding that action, he would be representative of the whole. And why you thought that you could proffer this argument on this forum is beyond me; it heightens the stature of your most duplicitous nature. In fine, 62 posts is more than enough for you---I would encourage you to meditate upon the definition of invincible ignorance and make a most earnest study of Socratic Logic and those philosophical traditions stemming from Aristotle so that you may get a better grasp of the Catholic tradition and while your at it, you may want to dig into Philo of Alexandria so that you may have a better grasp of you own faith tradition.

Itzchak said...

Mr. Paul:
Here are some quotes from the Talmud about other religions (even including idolatry, which actually does include RC)
1. "They said of Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakai that no man ever greeted him first, even idol worshippers in the market" [i.e., Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakai was the first to greet every person, even idol worshippers] (Berachot 17).

At the same location the sage Abaye advocated soft speech and words of peace to everyone, especially including idol worshippers.

2. "[it is proper to] support the idol worshippers during the sabbatical year …. and to inquire after their welfare [commentators: even on the days of the holidays of their idols, even if they do not keep the seven Noahide commandments] because of the ways of peace." (Shevi'it 4,3)

3. The rabbis taught: 'We support poor Gentiles with the poor people of Israel, and we visit sick Gentiles as well as the sick of Israel and we bury the dead of the Gentiles as well as the dead of Israel, because of the ways of peace." (Gitin 61a)

4. The Talmud contains many references to righteous gentiles whose behaviour is held up as a model for all people. The example of Dama ben Netina is known to all Jewish children (Kidushin 31a):

'They asked R. Eliezer how far one should go in honoring parents. He said to them: Go and see how one idol worshipper in Ashdod honored his father, and Dama ben Netina was his name. The sages wished to purchase gems from him for the Ephod [for a tremendous profit] … but the key [to the box containing the gems] was under his father's pillow [while his father was sleeping] and he did not trouble his father [by waking him even though he gave up a tremendous profit].' Dama was rewarded for his virtue the next year when a red heifer [required for the Temple service] was born in his flock. When he sold it to the sages he told them that he knew that they would pay any price he asked for it, but he asked only for the amount he had not earned the previous year when he refrained from waking his father.

5. Another example of righteous gentiles whose behaviour is held up as a model is to be found in the story of the King of Katsia and his subjects.

One of his subjects purchased a ruin from his neighbor and found a treasure in it. He insisted on giving it back to his neighbor, claiming he had purchased only the ruin, and not a treasure. His neighbor refused to take it, insisting that he had sold the ruin and everything in it. The two litigants came to the King to decide the issue. When the King discovered that one neighbor had a son and the other one had a daughter he ruled that the children should marry and share the treasure. It is related that Alexander of Macedonia saw this judgement and was amazed by it. He told the King of Katsia that in his country the two neighbors would be executed (since in his land found treasure had to be delivered to the King at the pain of death). The King of Katsia is reported to have asked Alexander if the rain fell and the sun shone and if there were animals in the land of Alexander. When Alexander answered affirmatively the King of Katsia told him that the sun shone and the rain fell in the merit of the animals, not the people of his land. (Gen R 33 - further sources are referenced at this location).

6. Baba Kama 38a: "But we learned: R. Meir says - whence do we learn that a gentile who is occupied in the Torah [the reference is to those commandments which apply to gentiles] is like the High Priest? As it says [a proof text is given]…."

7. Kidushin 32 contains descriptions of the manner in which our sages honored and respected the elderly. The passage specifically refers to elderly gentiles who were honored in various fashions by the sages.

8. In TY Baba Metzia there are a number of descriptions of sages going out of their way to return lost objects to gentiles (Elu Metziot).

9. Avot 3,14: "He [Rabbi Akiva] was accustomed to say: Beloved is man [commentators: the reference is to all mankind], for he was created in G-d's image .."

10. Tosefta BK 10,8: ".. it is more grievous to steal from a gentile because of the desecration of G-d's name .."

11. Tosefta BM 2,11: ".. one who sees a lost donkey of an idol worshipper must take care of it exactly the way he takes care of the lost donkey of an Israelite .."

12. At Avoda Zara 18a the Talmud relates the remarkable story of how a Roman guard of one of the sages who was brutally murdered by the Romans repented. It was made known to the sages that the guard and the sage were welcomed to the World to Come together.

13. At Hullin 7a there is a report of how the sage Pinchas ben Yair miraculously split a river in order to speed his way to carry out the commandment to redeem captives. He went out of his way to split the river again in order to allow a gentile who was accompanying his group to also cross the river to speed his way.

This approach characterized sages throughout all generations. Some examples have been quoted in the earlier parts of this article. Two further examples of interest follow. Many more appear in the literature.

14. Maimonides (over 800 years ago) in Laws of the Sabbatical Year and Jubilee, Chapter 13, Halacha 13, writes .. "and not only the Tribe of Levy [merits special closeness to G-d] but every single person of those who walk the earth who ... walks straight in the manner G-d created him ... behold this person is sanctified as the Holy of Holies and [he will receive his reward in the World to Come] as the Priests and Levites."

15. Tiferet Yisrael (Boaz) (approximately 150 years ago) on Avot 3,14 writes, " ... even if our sages had not explicitly taught [that righteous Gentiles have a place in the World to Come as we learn in Sanhedrin 105 and Maimonides Chapter 8 of the Laws of Kings] we would have understood this ourselves since G-d is righteous in all His ways ... and we see many of the righteous Gentiles who not only recognize the Creator and believe in the divine origin of the Torah and also act charitably ... we will say something which is a commandment to publicize ... for behold, some of the them have done tremendous good for all mankind, such as Yenner who invented the ... which saves tens of thousands of people from disease and death and deformities ... and Draka (?) who brought the potato to Europe thus saving [people] from hunger ... and Gutenberg who invented the printing press, and
some who never received any reward in this world such as the righteous Reuchlin who risked his life [to prevent the burning of the Talmud] ... Can anyone imagine that these great deeds are not repaid in the World to Come? .."

Itzchak said...

Mr. T.V.
This blog seems to have very little to do with christian exegesis.
Its only focus is comments about Jews.

Anonymous said...

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel." Isaias 7:14.

So the true God even in the Old testament declared a Virgin shall conceive a son. The only "myth" here is that Itzchak worships the God of Israel. From there we can question who is the "god of the jews"? We know that answer.

Anonymous said...

From 1 Corinthians:

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of speech, lest the cross of Christ should be made void. For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness: but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God. For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise: and the prudence of the prudent I will reject.
Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For, seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world, by wisdom, knew not God, it pleased God, by the foolishness of our preaching, to save them that believe. For both the Jews require signs: and the Greeks seek after wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified: unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness:But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men: and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Anonymous said...

"Our Lord Jesus Christ said, “He who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” Our Lord also commanded his Church, “Go forth and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. He who believes and is baptized will be saved. He who does not believe will be condemned.”"
It's this stuff that I must admit, gets my prophetic blood boiling.


You set yourself up as judge over God. Jesus Christ was born, lived, died, and rose again according to the detailed prophesies of the Old Testament. Even the talmud confirms His life and brags of Jewish culpability in plotting His death. Christ blazed the trail to heaven and made it available to all through His Church. This path is available to you as a means of escaping the spiritual tyranny of talmudism on earth and obtaining eternal paradise in heaven.

Anonymous said...

Itzchak said...

[...] And fortunately, we're not the victims any more.


Now that most Christians practically worship the Jewish people as a deity and formerly Christian nations have replaced Holocaust of Christ with the holocaust of 6 million as their most sacred belief, why do Jews hate Christians more that ever?