Monday, February 19, 2007

Masonry: True Noachida; British Israel; Orange Occupation

These quotes from Albert Mackey's, The Symbols of Freemasonry are not to be accepted as entirely truthful. They do, however, serve as an illustration of what Masonry presumes to be.

NOACHIDAE. The descendants of Noah, and the transmitters of his religious dogmas, which were the unity of God and the immortality of the soul. The name has from the earliest times been bestowed upon the Freemasons, who teach the same doctrines. Thus in the "old charges," as quoted by Anderson (Const. edit. 1738, p. 143), it is said, "A mason is obliged by his tenure to observe the moral law as a true Noachidae." (The Symbolism of Freemasonry: Illustrating and Explaining Its Science and Philosophy, its Legends, Myths and Symbols, Albert G. Mackey)

TALMUD. The mystical philosophy of the Jewish Rabbins is contained in the Talmud ... In the Talmud much will be found of great interest to the masonic student. (The Symbolism of Freemasonry: Illustrating and Explaining Its Science and Philosophy, its Legends, Myths and Symbols, Albert G. Mackey)

CABALA. The mystical philosophy of the Jews. The word which is derived from a Hebrew root, signifying to receive, has sometimes been used in an enlarged sense, as comprehending all the explanations, maxims, and ceremonies which have been traditionally handed down to the Jews; but in that more limited acceptation, in which it is intimately connected with the symbolic science of Freemasonry, the cabala may be defined to be a system of philosophy which embraces certain mystical interpretations of Scripture, and metaphysical speculations concerning the Deity, man, and spiritual beings. In these interpretations and speculations, according to the Jewish doctors, were enveloped the most profound truths of religion, which, to be comprehended by finite beings, are obliged to be revealed through the medium of symbols and allegories ... (The Symbolism of Freemasonry: Illustrating and Explaining Its Science and Philosophy, its Legends, Myths and Symbols, Albert G. Mackey)


From the Jewish Encyclopedia:

A number of crypto-Jews in London supplied Cromwell with "intelligence" in connection with foreign and colonial affairs. In 1655, during the discussion of Manasseh ben Israel's plea for the readmission of the Jews, a writer to the "Mercurius Politicus" living in Amsterdam suggested that the government could make good use of the Jews for obtaining political information ... These services are supposed to have been rewarded by Cromwell ... (Jewish Encyclopedia, "intelligencers")


From the Jewish Encyclopedia:

During the latter part of the seventeenth century and the early part of the eighteenth, a number of Marano merchants are found acting as loan agents for European monarchs. Thus Isaac Suasso, Baron Auvernes de Gras, is said to have advanced 2,000,000 florins to William of Orange for the invasion of England. (Jewish Encyclopedia, "Banking")


William [of Orange] employed Jews in his negotiations with foreign kings (see England), especially members of the Belmonte family, Moses Machado (who rendered important services to the army in Flanders; Koenen, "Geschiedenis," p. 207) Isaac Lopez Suasso (who lent two million gulden to William III. for his descent upon England), David Bueno de Mesquita (general agent of the Prince of Brandenburg), Moses Curiel (at whose house William stayed three days when he visited the Portuguese synagogue at Amsterdam in 1695). (Jewish Encyclopedia, "Netherlands")


From the Encyclopaedia Judaica:

... In 1690 Isaac Pereira, a London Sephardi, was appointed commissary general to William [of Orange's] expeditionary force and employed in his commissariat other Jews who later established themselves in Dublin ... Some richer Jews were accepted into Christian society, while Freemasonry provided an important sphere for contacts between Jews and the Protestant minority. (Encyclopeadia Judaica, "Ireland")


The Masonic Square and Compass symbol is a transparent Judaic hexagram minus two lines which transmits the gnosis that Masons are "imperfect Jews."




"...suppose that from any point whatever of the infinite above you a hand holds another Compass or a Square, the lines of the celestial triangle will necessarily meet those of the Compass of Science, to form the Mysterious Star of Solomon." (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, Pg. 841)







"Jim MacLean, grand master of the East of Scotland lodge, said Orangemen were treated as pariahs whose views could be dismissed out of hand ... MacLean’s comments follow the recent trend among Loyalists to fly the Israeli flag." http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=132952003



Q. What art thou?

A. One of the elect.

Q. Of what house?

A. The house of Israel.

Q. Of what tribe?

A. The tribe of Levi.

(From the 1st degree ritual of the Orange Order)




Chanting "the king is blind'' over the rhythm of drums, students who oppose Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and the northern West Bank tied orange ribbons on passersby along a busy shopping district to show solidarity with Jewish settlers who are slated for evacuation.
"... some chose to wave orange flags, the color of the Gaza [occupation] government, to express opposition to the planned Gaza withdrawal ..."

http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/comment/wurmser200508240819.asp

65 comments:

Itzchak said...

That's very cool...great photograph...thanks for this one...

rev'd up said...

I personally think the photos would be improved by an anti-zionist rabbi torching the Israeli flags. Now that's cool!

titurator veritatis said...

But rev'd---that rabbi could then only be portrayed as 'liberal'? You see there is always something wrong with an individual that does not affirm the zeitgeist; especially the zionist zeitgeist.

Itzchak said...

Deut 30:3-5:
'YHVH Your Elohim will bring back your remnants and have compassion on you. And [the Creator) will return and gather [Ve'Kibetzcha-same word as 'kibbutz']you from among all the nations where YHVH scaterred you:
Even if your diaspora is at the ends of the heavens, YHVH Your Elohim will gather you up from the there and take you back:And YHVH will bring you to the land your ancestors (forefathers) inherited and you too will inherit it. And [the Creator] will be good to you and make you flourish even more than your ancestors."

rev'd up said...

titurator, you're absolutely right about rebels being branded 'liberal' in the context of the Zionist zeitgeist. However, these renegade rabbis are like dispensationalist 'Christians' to the Zionist and should be used to our advantage. I'm not unrealistic, I know that if push came to shove these rabbis would run for shelter in the kibbutz. I can't see one of them taking it on the nose for a goy.

itzchak, please read further... Deut. xxxii (the ferial canticle for Saturday Lauds) completes Moses' thought, "He found him [Jacob, Israel, the Lord's portion] in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; He led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.... They [the faithless] provoked him [God] to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. They sacrificed unto devils, not to God.... I [God] will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.... For they [the faithless] are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.... For their [the Talmudic Jews] rock in not as our ROCK [Jesus, the Christ]...for their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah.... I [God] kill, and I make alive, I wound, and I heal [the Resurrection]; neither is there any that can deliver our of my hand. Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants [Christians], and will render vengeance to his adversaries [the faithless], and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people."

It is needfull to recognize that God through Moses was communicating to the Red Sea pedestrians that they most follow strange gods (i.e. the Talmud or the 'traditions of the elders') and were not "His people" that would remain faithful to the prophecy of Genesis iii.15, "...it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt burise his heel."

When you realize that God's Kingdom is not of THIS world it follows that the Virgin Birth, the miracles, the Crucifixion, Resurrection and Ascension are the most reasonable events to have ever transpired.

Itzchak said...

Your 'reading into the Torah the allusions that you do is very cute' however it has no basis in reality. It's completely a projection imposed on the text with no basis whatsoever...

rev'd up said...

So you say, itzchak, over agianst the millions upon millions of faithful throughout the centuries. If you aren't interested in following God's true religion, Catholicism, then why are you bothering with this site.

Itzchak said...

Since when do numbers prove anything...One person leading a million people in the darkness is still in the darkness....one person alone in the light is still in the light..
----


Moses is clearly speaking there about the return of the tribes of Israel to their ancestral homeland and the process of flourishing there....That is reality (just read the newspapers).

Itzchak said...

"If you aren't interested in following God's true religion, Catholicism, then why are you bothering with this site."

This site has very little to do with catholicism unless catholocism is the relentless anti Semitic Jew hating drivel that this site is 'dedicated to'.

rev'd up said...

Ever read "The Thirteenth Tribe"? Ever listen to Benjamin Freedman? The so-called Semites who are lock-stock-and-barrel of the Zionist movement, your so-called 'returning tribes' aren't even Semites--they are Kazarian slope-heads.

Like I said. Talmudic Jews hate all things traditionally Catholic because Satan hates traditional Catholicism. Talmudic Jews are the Synagog of Satan. There is no anti-Semitism on this site merely an expose of facts that all point to one truly anti-Semitic group, a group that only wishes they were Semites, that are hell bent on doing their luminous master's sinister wishes.

If you would like to see a real Semite then look at a Palestinian. The Palestinians who are even now being murdered by the Kazarian Talmudists. Kazarian Talmudists are murderous anti-Semites.

Itzchak said...

Mr. Revved Up...
What world are you living in? Satans everywhere...you know paranoid delusions are a sign of mental illness. This Khazar thingis another ridiculous delusion.

"The writer Arthur Koestler alleged in a book (in The Thirteenth Tribe), that modern Ashkenazi Jews are of Khazarian ancestry rather than Semitic. According to Bernard Lewis:

This theory... is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.[11]

DNA studies demonstrate that Ashkenazi Y-Chromosome Jews originated in Middle Eastern populations, [12] as has the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[13] So although Khazars might have been absorbed into the Jewish population it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Ashkenazim. [14]

It has also been pointed out that Koestler's discussion of theories about Ashkenazi descent is largely unsupported; to the extent that Koestler referred to place-names and documentary evidence his analysis has been described as a mixture of flawed etymologies and misinterpreted primary sources.

Despite the fact that Koestler himself was emphatically pro-Zionist based upon secular considerations, some critics of the Khazar-Ashkenazi theory have asserted that many adhere to the theory for anti-Zionist political reasons. The Khazar theory has been adopted by many anti-Zionists, particularly in the Arab world;[11] such proponents argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar in origin, then they would be outside the scope of God's Biblical promise of Canaan to Israelites. However, critics of this theory note that the Biblical promise explicitly includes converts, as well as the fact that over half of Israeli Jews are not Ashkenazi. (see Demographics of Israel, Jewish exodus from Arab lands)

Michael A. Hoffman II said...

Splendid research! One caveat: since Europeans probably are descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, it's not at all masonic or Judiac to cause them to identify with their probable progenitors. Had Catholics and others taught this suppressed truth, Judeo-masonic forces would not have been able to co-opt and distort it to their own ends (John Dee was the architect of "British Israel"). Let us not permit the manipulation of the facts to cause us to view the facts themselves as suspect, or as the exclusive province of Orange or masonic propaganda, since that's exactly what they want us to do...Among the old Catholic families of England the belief that they are Israelites by blood is not unknown...And to be fair to the people of Ulster, many Catholics of the Conservative Republican variety fly the Israeli flag in their hearts, if not on public flagpoles. Which is worse, I wonder?

rev'd up said...

Itzchak, I fail to understand Michael's ejaculation about your "splendid research" as it is just a copy-and-paste job from Wikipedia. Whoopee! Prof. Lewis is a cunning intelligence, however he is not without his critics (i.e. the French courts) and he, a Zionist, has an agenda to keep. As I see it, you have helped confirm my point. You cannot dismiss Koestler simply by implying he's just another 'self hating Jew.'

The Kazarian Ashke-nazis were indeed converts in 7th c. A.D. They are not people of the Torah as a Christian would understand Torah. They are a people of the Talmud (most Christians don't realize this vital fact). The gods of the modern Jew are not the God of the Bible.

It also seems to me regarding Ulster. That the Catholics there are compromised--most if not all are Novus Ordo. They have swallowed Bugger-nini's poison pill and been Judaized. As evidence, they have serious problems with sodomite, pederast priests...this is the Talmud in action.

Anonymous said...

Cool your heels rev'd. I think Michael was complimenting Maurice's research...not Itzchak's.

Itzchak said...

To repeat: The DNA information (repeated below) has nothing to do with Koestler and is much more significant.
Also nobody said he's a self -hating Jew.Just that his theory does not hold up to reality. Do you think Bernard Lewis was lying when he said "It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics.

"DNA studies demonstrate that Ashkenazi Y-Chromosome Jews originated in Middle Eastern populations, [12] as has the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of at least 40% of the current Ashkenazi population.[13] So although Khazars might have been absorbed into the Jewish population it is unlikely that they formed a large percentage of the ancestors of modern Ashkenazim. [14]
-------------------------
"They are not people of the Torah as a Christian would understand Torah."
First of all a christian doesn't understand Torah...you guys are getting it third hand from the Hebrew, to the Greek, to the English. No one can claim any real knowledge of the Torah without knowing Hebrew.
It's like a 'doctor' whose knowledge of the human is two dimensional black and white photos.
--------------
"They are a people of the Talmud (most Christians don't realize this vital fact)."
Again you're just repeating the same old canards that show ignorance. I'd invite you to spend some time studying the Talmud in depth (unlike the Torah it can be studied in English--and there are excellent English translations now being published). The Talmud is an extensive investigation of the Torah and is intrinsically connected. The Talmud's basic focus is to explore and clarify the connection between the Mishna-the first codification of Biblical law (which does not cite the Torah source for any law) and the Torah.
The Talmud discusses EVERY single verse of the Torah. (see the commentary Torah Temimah)
---------------------
'The gods of the modern Jew are not the God of the Bible.'
This is a laughable thought...
Do you even know anything about God? Do you know what the word even means in any real way? You've had your education about it filtered through the ridiculous xtian mythology.
What is the meaning of the Tetragammaton YHVH? What is the meaning of ELOHIM?
Why are they both used in the Torah? Why is only one or the other used sometimes?

---------------------

Itzchak said...

Here is an expanded explanationof the DNA information:
"A 2000 study of haplotypes by Hammer et al found that the Y chromosome of most Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews was of Middle Eastern origin, containing mutations that are also common among Palestinians and other Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced primarily to the Middle East.[2] A 2006 study by Behar et al, based on haplotype analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women. These four "founder lineages" were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE.[3]"

rev'd up said...

Anon.'s point is a good one...I am sorry if I came to the wrong conclusion concerning Michael's comment.

Itzchak, the Jewish commentary on the Old Testament is the Talmud; the Christian commentary is the New Testement. I will and do, in fact, defer to the analysis and conclusions of people like Michael Hoffman, Carol Valentine, Fr. Pranaitis and Arthur Koestler concerning the Talmud.

As to the DNA studies, I am not impressed with the psudo-science of genetics. I have personal experience with it and am conviced that geneticists can arrive at any number of different authoritative conclusions based on the same DNA sample. Besides, we all remember the O.J. Simpson trial and the DNA fiasco?

To answer your question, "Do you even know anything about God?" In truth I know very little about God, but what I do know comes from the authority of God's One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Concerning the parsing of letters and apellations of God I find it a curiosity of little value. I am much more concerned with studying Christ's statements such as, "Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you."
Besides, I prefer the Septuagint to the Masoretic translations. The LXX is historically more authoritative than the Hebrew.

Itzchak said...

"I will and do, in fact, defer to the analysis and conclusions of people like Michael Hoffman, Carol Valentine, Fr. Pranaitis and Arthur Koestler concerning the Talmud."
They don't know anything about the Talmud...They're like ticks on an elephant who think they know the elephant from their vantage point.
------------------------
"As to the DNA studies, I am not impressed with the psudo-science of genetics."
I can see that...you are a follower of the science of mythology.
-------------
"Concerning the parsing of letters and apellations of God I find it a curiosity of little value."
How thoughtful...the original names of the Creator;the names that were tought to Moses are of 'little value'. You'd prefer to caninbalize some jewish guy...
-----------------
"Besides, I prefer the Septuagint to the Masoretic translations. The LXX is historically more authoritative than the Hebrew."
This is sheer ignorance. It's like saying "I prefer Shakespeare in a Polish translation written four hundred years later. It's more authorative than the original'.

Anonymous said...

comparing palestinians and ashkenazi haplotypes as being identical or nearly so? i'd love to see the references. sephardic and palestinian haplotypes would appear to have much more in common.

itzchak, i couldn't disagree with you more regarding michael hoffman's knowledge of the talmud. i'm familiar with his work and his accuracy is renowned.

in the spirit of honest debate i'm not comfortable seeing you being "piled on," and i'd like to speak from a position that doesn't espouse hate or degredation (i'm not implying that anyone here does) but of a position that has legitimate questions regarding talmudic passages that belittle and degrade my religion, christianity.

my question is.....where do you get the idea that jesus was a jew?

Itzchak said...

Here is the abstract of the original study:
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/12/6769
--------------------------
Where do I get the idea that jesus was a jew?
Was his mother not jewish?
---
I also understand that you think he was from the tribe of Judah-(Yehuda-root of the word Yehudi-Jewish)
However this one is alittle harder becaue the tribal affiliation goes is paternal. If the Creator was his father than he's not of the tribe of Judah, unless you say the Creator was a descendant of Jacob's son Yehuda.

Anonymous said...

thanks for the dna reference...i'll check it out.

i'm aware of the jewish maternal and paternal lineages.

where is it stated that his mother was jewish?

Itzchak said...

brother...I'm sure you knows the new testament better than I.
If he wasn't Jewish, than it's even more obvious why the Jews never thought he was the messiah.

Itzchak said...

Obviously you're leading up to the point that he wasn't Jewish..
Please explain further...

Anonymous said...

i'm not trying to make a point as to whether he was or was not jewish..just looking for your source.

your source apparently is the new testament as you alluded to it in your reply. this being the sacred text of the "mythological" religion of the "jewish guy," as you state.

my point here is you can't on the one hand, ridicule christianity as being mythical, and then use the new testament to source from.

as to whether or not jesus was a jew, i'm not certain. i do believe he practiced the religion of the hebrews.

Itzchak said...

I'm not actually using at as a source...I've heard countless times from xtians that he was a Jew.
and so I assume the New Testament sees him as a Jew...
-----------------
I'm not really sure he ever existed as your story portrays him...
It's astounding to me that Saul/Paul never even met him in person.
The whole thing is based on one's person's vision.

Itzchak said...

One interesting theory that I've been introduced to is that the Jesus story was a roman adaptation of the martyrdom of Rabbi Akiva.
Apparently many roman soldiers were so impressed by Rabbi Akiva and his demeanor that many converted to Judaism.
The person introducing me to this was able to explain which of Rabbi Akiva's disciples/students was transformed into John the Baptist, etc...

Anonymous said...

ok....i thought you were using new testament as a source to present points for your postitions. thanks for the explanation.

jesus existence was not exactly one person's vision. you're forgetting josephus aren't you?

as you know josephus was a historian from that era..or shortly thereafter and makes mention of jesus and the disciples in some detail.(history of the jews i believe)

from what i've read from mr. hoffman's work, the talmud also acknowledges jesus existence in many pasages.

although many rabbi's have never met maimoninedes...they follow his teachings..do they not?

Itzchak said...

The Josephus reference is not so clear cut, here is a partial discussion about it:

"The following passage appears in the Greek version of Antiquities of the Jews xviii 3.3, in the translation of William Whiston:

3.3 Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

As usual with ancient texts, the surviving sources for this passage are Greek manuscripts, all minuscules, the oldest of which dates from the 9th century. It is likely that these all derive from a single exemplar written in uncial, as is the case with most other ancient Greek texts transmitted to the present in medieval copies, and have come down through the hands of the church. The text of Antiquities appears to have been transmitted in two halves — books 1–10 and books 11–20. But other ad hoc copies of this passage also exist.

The first to cite this passage of Antiquities was Eusebius, writing in about 324, who quotes the passage in essentially the same form.

Authenticity

Arguments against authenticity

Origen

The Christian author Origen wrote around the year 240. His writings predate the earliest quotations of the Testimonium. In his surviving works Origen fails to mention the Testimonium Flavianum, even though he does mention the less significant reference by Josephus to Jesus as brother of James, which occurs later in Antiquities of the Jews (xx.9), and also other passages from Antiquities such as the passage about John the Baptist. Furthermore, Origen states that Josephus was "not believing in Jesus as the Christ" (Cels, i 47) "he did not accept Jesus as Christ" (Comm. Matt., x 17), but the Testimonium declares Jesus to be Christ. Because of these arguments, some scholars believe that the version of Antiquities available to Origen did not mention Jesus at this point at all.[citation needed]

On the other hand, while this argument shows that Josephus could not have written the Testimonium in its current form, it also demonstrates, according to some scholars, [attribution needed] that Josephus must have written something about Jesus, for otherwise Origen would have no reason to make the claim that Josephus "did not accept Jesus as Christ." (While the claim that Josephus "did not accept Jesus as Christ" can be based on the fact that he was by all accounts a traditional Jew, this fact would make his nonacceptance of Jesus go without saying; the fact that Origen said it at all suggests a context of Jesus existed in Josephus' work.) Presumably whatever he did write was sufficiently negative that Origen chose not to quote it.[citation needed]

However, there are other arguments as to why Origen would have said Josephus did not accept Jesus as the Christ and is it worth noting that no "sufficiently negative" Josephus quote has ever surfaced. It may have been Josephus’ silence on the matter as well as his Judaism that lead to Origen’s comment. Or it could be Josephus'statement in Jewish War 6.5.4, where he declares that the Jewish messianic prophecies were really about the victorious emperor Vespasian that lead him to believe Josephus did not accept anyone as a messiah. Since Origen makes no mention of negative comments by Josephus it can be argued that if Origen had read these comments he would have attempted to rebuke them and not chosen to ignore them in his writings. The fact that he did not do so gives credibility to the argument that no such writings existed at the time, but were a later interpolation.
_____________________________
We actually don't 'follow' Maimonides teachings per se...Maimonmides basically codified the earlier teachings.
If he had 'innovated' or 'invented' something that was not found in the earlier sources that he built on, his writings would not have been taken seriously.

Itzchak said...

Here is a balanced exploration of jesus in the talmud with the actual quotes included:
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html

Anonymous said...

the point i was making was not whether josephus accepted christ as the messiah but to provide a testament to his existence in addition to the disciples, and to the works he performed...christianity was not the vision of one man. as we've completely gone off topic i'm not going to post additional references supporting the validity of the testimony but should the opportunity present itself at a later time i will.

it's an undeniable fact that maimonmides is held in the highest stature as a supreme sage within rabbinic judaism, both as codifier of the talmud, and philosopher. to say that his teachings aren't being followed isn't accurate.

my apologies to the blog..itzchak and i have gone off on a tangent and we've strayed from the original topic.

Anonymous said...

as for the official version of the jesus protrayed in the talmud see www.noahide.com (jews and hasidic gentiles website) and also the website for chabad lubavitch. those sites will tell you everything you need to know.

Itzchak said...

"to say that his teachings aren't being followed isn't accurate."
----
what I meant to say is that it's not his original teachings that are being followed...he was a transmitter of the earlier teachings...
His philosophical writings have original thinking, but it does not relate to practice (only the understanding of practice).

W.LindsayWheeler said...

Great Post, I enjoyed it thoroughly. But someone commented on Europeans being part of the ten lost tribes? I don't think so.

What happened to Europeans being Sons of Japthah? Us Greeks are NOT semitic but Japthahites, Europeans who are Lovers of Beauty as Hesoid says. This is strange to see.

On another note, I have written a Thread on Tikkun Olam that fits into this post it is Here at Tikkun Olam Jewish Messiahship

I write in the Thread where Giovanni Pico who read the Kabbala, and who set up Humanism, got his ideas from the Jews. This Tikkun Olam is the heart of the Enlightenment. What do you think?

Itzchak said...

That link doesn't work...
----------------
I think the ten lost tribes have probably entered the entire population pool...I"ve asked population academics about this...
Every single mother of the original tribes gave birth to sons and daughters...the sons and daughters of every daughter are Israelite/Jewish...then all the way down through the daughter/mothers..

W.LindsayWheeler said...

The link works but sometimes you will see a page that says it can't find it---well it the refresh button, the MSN servers are sometimes a little busy. If you see a MSN "can't find page", then just hit the refresh button.

The connection between the Enlightenment and the Kabbala is in the 7th post on that thread.

Itzchak said...

Got it...it worked this time..
Boy you're prolific on that site...
Interesting stuff but to suggest that Tikun Olam is a replacement of connection to the Creator is a misunderstanding of Tikun Olam...
A Sage I like wrote:
"Whenever a new and noble thought is born, whenever we have a truly spiritual stirring, it is voice of an angel of God is knocking, pressing on the doors of our soul, asking to be let it..."

The deep impulse to improve/perfect the world is the Divine Presence within us...This material vessel
is the place for us to express this.

W.LindsayWheeler said...

Interesting stuff but to suggest that Tikun Olam is a replacement of connection to the Creator is a misunderstanding of Tikun Olam...No, what I am saying is that secular Jews are pushing this in European countries, this is what Communism seeks to do.


A Sage I like wrote:
"Whenever a new and noble thought is born, whenever we have a truly spiritual stirring, it is voice of an angel of God is knocking, pressing on the doors of our soul, asking to be let it..."

The deep impulse to improve/perfect the world is the Divine Presence within us...This material vessel
is the place for us to express this.

This is exaclty why I am against this!!! This is NOT an Indo-European sentiment--quite the contrary! This Jewish spirit is what is destroying Europe! It doesn't belong in our European societies!

Itzchak said...

I'd say you're kidding, but I know you're serious...
Man...by your weird perspective..
Abraham should have shut up when told of Sodom and Gomorrah,
Moses should not have struck the Egyptian...
etc...
My friend, you have a very skewed understanding of what life is about.

Maurice Pinay said...

I write in the Thread where Giovanni Pico who read the Kabbala, and who set up Humanism, got his ideas from the Jews. This Tikkun Olam is the heart of the Enlightenment. What do you think?

This is a very worthy course of study. Frances Yates' books, The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age and The Rosicrucian Enlightenment are indispensible resources on this topic. Michael A. Hoffman's audio lecture, Magic and Paganism in the Reign of Elizabeth I is an excellent overview. Much research remains to be done in this area of history.

Itzchak said...

In fact, the Creator should not have freed the slaves...How Jewish of Him to think he could take on the Pharoah.

Didn't He know better that the slaves are just supposed to accept their fate!!!

Itzchak said...

Mr. W.lindsayWheeler:
I went back to your postings and was astounded to read:
"God purposely planted strife in the world. The Jew with Tikkun Olam thinks that Peace should be the overruling principle. God purposely made and created race and racism."
Ummm....when did the Creator plant strife in the world?
Are you seriously implying that the Creator is against peace?
God is for racism?

W.LindsayWheeler said...

Itzchak, you need to go back to the Lyceum section and read the thread on Race, Racism, Racialism.

Yes, God implanted "racism" into the hearts of men, SO THEY WOULD NOT COOPERATE WITH each other! That is the way the world has been set up.

W.LindsayWheeler said...

Marcus Pinay, it is becoming clear to me that Socialism and Communism and Fascism all take on this Jewish sentiment of tikkun olam, fixing the world.

I have rejected the whole Enlightenment and what it teaches and going back to the unsullied roots of the Greeks and Romans.

This idea of "fixing the world has to be rooted out of our culture, society and our Christian religion.

Itzchak said...

"Yes, God implanted "racism" into the hearts of men, SO THEY WOULD NOT COOPERATE WITH each other! That is the way the world has been set up."

WOW!!!
Pardon my naievete, but all you guys on this blog believe this?

Itzchak said...

So God who says in the Bible all that nice stuff about helping each other, freeing the slaves, etc...
is wrong?

W.LindsayWheeler said...

Slavery is not morally wrong--it is just an institution.

Itzchak, I refer you to this specific chapter in Genesis, Chapter 11 and please be sure to read the commentary at the bottom.

Itzchak said...

Wow....how old are you may I ask...?

Itzchak said...

So co-operation is against Gods' will?

Itzchak said...

HELLO....
anybody still here?
I would like a reality check.
Is this really what traditional catholics think at core.
I'm still in shock and would like to know if this is true:

"Yes, God implanted "racism" into the hearts of men, SO THEY WOULD NOT COOPERATE WITH each other! That is the way the world has been set up."
_

W.LindsayWheeler said...

@ itzchak,

I am 47. Yes, you are in shock. Welcome to Reality. I am a Doric Greek. Our people are the practioners of Reality. We deal with reality and are Obedient to the Law of God whether by Divine Oracle or by Nature.

That is why the Faith has moved from you to us. We live under the Law, we don't make the Law.

No, the human races are NOT to cooperate with each other. NO, Us Real Europeans don't follow the Globalization/convergence/cosmopolitianism of ideological secular Jews.

Our Job is to obey and R-E-S-P-E-C-T what God has done and made. God seperated the people---My job is to obey this dictum from God. This is what God wants done--Well, that is what God gets!!! I am not to put myself in opposition to what God wants done!

I obey. Unlike you jews who do not obey and set yourself up as gods---NO.

I'm here to do the Will of God, to defend Him and to guard. God wants Races and to keep them seperate, God implanted Racism into all the hearts of men. Racism is to be in the Golden Mean. It can be evil either in defieciency or in excess. Communism teaches defieciency and Fascism teaches excess. The Greek/Christian idea is the Golden Mean.

Shock and Awe. That is what Truth does!

Itzchak said...

Wow....that's fascinating..are there many of you? Is this synonymous with traditional Catholocism?

Anonymous said...

lindsaywheeler,

investigate the research of e. raymond capt, and sharon turner regarding the assyrian tablets. the tribes of the northern house of israel were exiled to medes and media (iran)at the same time two groups known as the scythians and cimmerians were to have had their first mention in history. the translations of these tablets have revealed that the scythians and cimmerians were from the house of omri (israeli king from the house of israel).

Anonymous said...

from other sources that i've read, a khazar king claimed to be from japheth.

W.LindsayWheeler said...

@ itzchak,

I don't know if what I said is traditional Catholicism since much of Latin Christianity denies the Greek modality and mentality. I am practically alone. I consider myself to be a Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant Christian; learning the truths they teach while rejecting the errors they commit. I am just beginning to recover the True European spirit to Christianity; the recapturing of the Doric mentality and philosophy which is the Archtype of Western Culture.

Much of today's Christianity is mixed with liberalism and socialism and Enlightenment thought. It is time to re-infuse Christianity with the right spirit and right mentality.

@ anonymous, if you could provide links to whay you speak would be helpful though I reject British Israelitism.

Itzchak said...

"I am practically alone. "

I'm not surprised....
(and quite relieved)...the looney tunes attitudes on this website is one thing, but you're in a planet by yourself...

rev'd up said...

I can appreciate lidsays' sentiments. The Church having been overrun by the spirit of our times, which is the spirit of the Talmud (i.e. license, or as Alister Crowley said, 'do what thou wilt, is the whole of the law') has left Christians adrift without a rudder.

Lindsay is far from being alone. But those who are seeking a true, traditionally based expression of Catholicism are often times marginallized. Again, the Church has abandoned flock.

This ties into the slavery issue, Herman Melvile expressed it most poignantly through his character Ishmael in Moby Dick asking, "Who ain't a slave?" Or as is popularily said, "Until everybody's free, nobody's free." In modern public discourse, the issue of slavery is romaticized to such an extent that serious discussion of it is practically fruitless. Read John DeCamp or watch 'Conspiracy of Silence' and you get a pretty good impression of where discussion of modern day slavery will get you.

Anonymous said...

most of the materials i've read regarding the assyrian tablets have been from websites supporting euro israelism (not necessarily british israelism). as such lindsaywheeler, it may not be sufficient as being completely objective. i'm searching for the references devoid of any affiliation with one particular group. i know there are references available and i'm searching for them.

W.LindsayWheeler said...

@ anonymous

Georges Dumezil did a study of societies and found that ONLY within the Indo-Europeans, there was this trait called Trifunctionality--that they did things in three. It is specific to Indo-Europeans. NOT to Semitic people.

This Trifunctionality characteristic is evidenced in Doric Greek societies, Anglo-Saxon societies and elsewhere.

To "order" and see beauty is specifically Indo-European. Paramenides principle of non-contradiction is central to the operation of Truth. Without a Bi-cameral mind, a mind that sees in Black-n-White, Truth is impossible to know. Semitic people don't have this.

Because of these reasons, I reject Euro-Israelism. I am just being happy being dog. (Jesus called the Greek woman of Syro-Trye a dog.) I would rather be a dog in the Kingdom of Heaven, than a blessed rebellious Semitic child.

Dogs are totally loyal and obedient.

For more on the Trifunctionality concept please see: Trifunctionality, the Indo-European trait

Yours in Christ Jesus

Itzchak said...

The kabbalistic tree, which consists of ten Sephiroth, the ten "enumerations" or "emanations" of God, consists of three "pillars": The left side of the tree, the "female side", is considered to be more destructive than the right side, the "male side". Gevurah (גבורה, "Power"), for example, stands for strength and discipline, while her male counterpart, Chesed (חסד, "Mercy"), stands for love and mercy. Chesed is also known as Gedulah (גדולה, "Glory"), as in the Tree of Life pictured to the right. The "center pillar" of the tree does not have any polarity, and no gender is given to it.

Itzchak said...

NUMBER Three

Worlds:

* Numerical symbol of stability and balance.
* Equilibrium between the three primary elements of Creation: air, water, and fire.

Souls:

* Three Fathers: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
* Three divisions of Jewish souls: kohanim (priests), Leviim (levites), and Israelites.
* The segol and the segolta.

Divinity:

* Three parts of the Torah: The Five Books of Moses, the Prophets, and the Writings.
* "Three bonds are bounded together: Israel, Torah, and God."

Itzchak said...

From Pirkei Avot-Mishna,first codification of Oral Torah:
Shimon HaTzaddik was from the remnants of the Great Assembly.
He used to say:
On three things the world stands.
On Torah,
On service [of God],
And on acts of human kindness.

THE WORLD IN BALANCE

Why should the world stand on three things rather than two or four or some other arbitrary number? We could easily list dozens of critical needs, obligations and aspects of life. Why does Shimon HaTzaddik stop at three, and why these three?

Our Mishnah is zeroing in on a fundamental truth about our place in the cosmos. We are not alone, and life is not ours alone. We live in a world where we are compelled to act, react and interact with others.

We have three primary relationships in life. We have to learn to live with ourself, with God, and with others.

Human beings interact with the world on three levels: thought, speech and action. Each of these three is the key to the three basic relationships: You act on yourself through thought or will. You interact with God through speech. And you relate to others through actions.

In our quest to perfect ourselves, we need to also lift others and lift our relationship with God. Success and balance in all three is required to truly grow in this world.

Throughout Torah literature, you will find this 3-part balance reflected. In the Rosh Hashana Machzor (prayer book), a central prayer declares:

"Teshuva (Return), Tefillah, (Prayer) and Tzedakah (Righteousness) avert the bad decree."

Itzchak said...

"Georges Dumezil did a study of societies and found that ONLY within the Indo-Europeans, there was this trait called Trifunctionality--that they did things in three. It is specific to Indo-Europeans. NOT to Semitic people."

hmmmmm......I guess his research was not very thorough.

Itzchak said...

Hey Mr. Doric Greek....
Where'd you go?
I assume you like Plato:
This is about the RELATION OF THE KABBALAH TO THE PHILOSOPHY OF PLATO

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/rph/rph18.htm#page_213
------------------
plus "The influence of Greek philosophical thought, particularly that of Plato and Neoplatonism, upon the development in the Kabbalah has long been recognized. A number of Kabbalists took note of a close relationship between the Kabbalah and Platonic philosophy, and some went so far as to suggest that the Kabbalah itself was a source for Platonic and Neoplatonic ideas."

Itzchak said...

Hey Doric....you sure give up easy...

Anonymous said...

"A mason is obliged by his tenure to observe the moral law like a true Noachid....and to the three great articles of Noah..."
-- charter allegedly written by
Edwin I in 926, according to "The
Secret History of Freemasonry" by
Paul Naudon