Monday, March 12, 2007

Backpeddling Bishops


German cardinal sorry for ghetto
remarks


By Eli Ashkenazi

The head of the German Bishops Conference conceded that some statements made by members on a recent visit to Israel and the West Bank were "inappropriate." Cardinal Karl Lehmann responded a few days ago to a letter sent to him by Avner Shalev, chairman of the Yad Vashem Martyrs and Heroes Remembrance Authority, protesting a statement made a short time after the group visited Yad Vashem earlier this month, and then traveled to Ramallah. "In the morning we saw the Warsaw Ghetto and now it's the Ramallah Ghetto," one of the bishops said.

"In light of the painful reality of the separation fence," Lehman wrote in his letter to Shalev, "some of the members of the delegation said harsh tings, some of which were not appropriate." In his letter Lehmann reiterated the heavy responsibility the German people bear due to the Holocaust, and that even those who expressed themselves harshly recognized Israel's right to defend itself. He said the bishop who made the statement had no intention to compare the past and the present and wrote, "It is impossible to compare current problems with the murder of the Jewish people."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/835442.html


Well it's a relief to see the errors of those uppity German Bishops corrected. They did originally demonstrate a proper understanding of the holy doctrine of "'Israel's' right to exist," but their comparison of "Jewish" suffering to the suffering of the Palestinians was way beyond the pale! Good Heavens! "Jews" have the Neshama; ie. the "glorious soul" which is a "part of God above." The Palestinians (and the rest of us non-"Jews," for that matter) do not have the Neshama. Palestinians only have the Nephesh, or animal soul, which derives from the impure, demonic Kelifa (ie. shells). Therefore, any comparison of Palestinian suffering to that of the "Jews" is an outrageous sacrilege. And perhaps in this context we can understand why Benedict XVI, in his speech at Auschwitz last year stated that the Nazis, "tried to kill God."

Wouldn't it be interesting to know exactly how the correction of the German Bishops' rhetoric came about so quickly. We can safely assume that it was deafening screeching from the ADL, WJC, AJC, EJC, Simon Weisenthal Center, Yad Vashem, and various other Judaic power organizations which initiated the change. But who in Rome made the decision, and how was it handed down? Was it rabbi Walter Cardinal Kasper, president of the Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews who handled the matter? And what will the Bishops' penance be? A pilgrimage to the Holy Site of Auschwitz on their hands and knees? I'll be watching closely. Time will tell.

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

They said they're sorry because they had to or they'd be fired. Its a forced confession like the Reds used to force Catholics to do in the Iron Curtain nations.

Itzchak said...

Hey man...my mother was in Auschwitz and most of her and my father's family was murdered there...
This is were you cross the boundary.

Maurice Pinay said...

...my mother was in Auschwitz and most of her and my father's family was murdered there...


You'll have to excuse me if I regard this claim as untruthful as the rest of your claims.

This is were you cross the boundary.

I've had enough "Jewish" suffering propaganda to last 1000 lifetimes. I'm still waiting for the story of the victims of the Judaic Bolsheviks to be told. So until you and your fellow tribe members in the media start showing some proportion in what you "never forget" I'll have to tell you: take your sob story elsewhere. Your suffering, if it's even based in reality, is not unique and it doesn't get you a pass here.

Don't think for a second that I'll assent my will to holy Judaic holocaust dogmas even as the tenets of my faith are gratuitously trashed by Judaics on a daily basis.

Itzchak said...

You are sicker than I thought...

I am speaking absolute and total veracity. This is not 'a claim'.
My parents grew up in Romania, in the area of Transylvania. The deportations straight to Auscwhitz took place there in the spring of 1944.
My mother and her sister went together and her sister, Adina, was taken immediately, since she was of young age, to the gas chambers. My
mother since she was in her late teens and thus stronger worked and somehow survived in Auschwitz until the Russians liberated the camp.
My father is the youngest of 12 children. He was sent to a labor camp in Romania itself. The overwhelming majority of the rest of his older brothers and sisters and their complete families were taken straight to Auschwitz and murdered there. Four of his siblings survived along with him.
A few of them returned from Aushwitz and did not make up what they saw.

I imagine you have some reverence for the place where your grandparents are buried.

It is holy ground for me in the most awful sense. It is the place where 90 per cent of my parents families died and are 'buried'.

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"Don't think for a second that I'll assent my will to holy Judaic holocaust dogmas"

I really don't care an iota about your will assent or not. I am here out of fascination.
And this is not a 'holocaust dogma'. It is a reality.

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"even as the tenets of my faith are gratuitously trashed by Judaics on a daily basis."

You set up a website completely devoted to thrashing Rabbis, Jews, Israelis, Israel and anyone supportive of them...and you accuse 'Judaics' of gratutiously thrashing the tenets of your faith daily.

You'll notice that there are relatively very few websites set up by Jews thrashing Christians, anti-Semites and the like. There are some. But compared to the number of anti-Semitic Christian, Muslim and neo-nazi sites it's a very small percentage.

We have (to the extent that I can speak for all other Jews, though I suppose I'm a representative of that here) for the most part (with some exceptions) much more important things to do with our energy than waste it in that sort of ongoing sick hate. You are welcome to your hate and I assume you enjoy it.
I do have among my friends and colleagues Roman Catholics, Muslims and atheists.

What caught my eye and interest in this site is that I saw it all about how awful rabbis and the like are. Since I'm a rabbi I thought I'd respond.

Us 'Judaics' for the most part don't care in any way about the tenets of your faith. You are welcome to them. If you wanna believe some Jewish guy (born to a Jewish virgin) died for you sins, go right ahead.
We know its crazy, but you're entitled to be crazy as long as you don't hurt anybody else with your craziness.
I also have an MSW and have worked with mentally disturbed individuals. People have alot of crazy beliefs and perceptions
Way crazier than yours.
The only reason we "Judaics' have a response to yours is that you think we need to believe in it too.
And that everyone else in the planet also has to believe it.
And that's insane.

rev'd up said...

"You set up a website completely devoted to thrashing Rabbis, Jews, Israelis, Israel and anyone supportive of them...and you accuse 'Judaics' of gratutiously thrashing the tenets of your faith daily."

Thank God he did! Rabbis, Jews, Israelis, Israel and everyone supporing them needs to be exposed. And why should you complain, itzchak, your people control the major media of almost every country in the world, they control the world's money system, pornography, slave trade, weapons production, water supply, precious metals and highly desireable jewels.

If their weren't so much hysteria and hyperbole, people might be sympathetic to your peoples plight. But Jewry is constantly rubbing our noses in it and trashing the tenents of Catholicism daily.

The Red Cross regularly inspected Auschwitz--why didn't they stop the "evil" Catholic Rudolph Hoess? Can we trust Hoess' "confession" given under torture by American Jews? How do you know your family were sent to Auschwitz? How do you know they died there? Do you have official records, eye witnesses, photos, Red Cross testimonials?

Itzchak said...

"How do you know your family were sent to Auschwitz? How do you know they died there? Do you have official records, eye witnesses, photos, Red Cross testimonials?"

You're a riot....you think my mother made it up, or the various other family eyewitnesses who told me what it was like there, including one of the first non Jewish prisoners that was there for the whole time- he had some job there.....? Or is your theory that people killed their own family members and made up a story about gas chambers and concentration camps. You guys discredit yourself even more when you ally with the Holocaust deniers.

And the ridiculous canards about controlling the world's media and all that other bullshit. Are you really that simplistic.

"If their weren't so much hysteria and hyperbole, people might be sympathetic to your peoples plight. But Jewry is constantly rubbing our noses in it and trashing the tenents of Catholicism daily."

Sympathy is irrelevant and is certainly not the point.
How is Jewry trashing the tenets of Catholocism daily. Simply by not believing the mythology?
That's not thrashing. That's sanity. But like I say, you're welcome to it.

Maurice Pinay said...

I am speaking absolute and total veracity. This is not 'a claim'.

You have no credibility here. As I said, take your pious sob story elsewhere. Until your fellow "tribe" members in the media start remembering the atrocities of other ethnic/religious groups in proportion to their own, I don't want to hear about it.

Take your unique story to Hollywood, it could become the 6 millionth Holycaust documentary shoved down everyone's throats which might air along with the 6 millionth hack job on the Christian Gospel.

Itzchak said...

I really don't care what you want or don't want to hear about.

I've never said about myself here that was untrue so I'm not sure what you base your credibility quip about.

And believe me, it's not a unique story. Growing up as a child of HOlocaust survivors you hear alot of people describing their experiences.

Itzchak said...

Just to clarify.
Part of 'traditional Cath.' is Holocaust denial as well...?
Gee, what a surprise.

Maurice Pinay said...

Part of 'traditional Cath.' is Holocaust denial as well...?

It's a refusal to bow down before idols.

rev'd up said...

"...my mother made it up..."

What about the Red Cross?

I find it puzzling that so many survivors talk so freely about something that was so awful and it doesn't cause them to go mad.

This seems to violate the priciple of repressed trauma that Freude ginned up. How can the people, recorded on video at the Holocaust Museum, talk about the parade of Jews going to the gas house as if they're talking about a pastrami on rye? The barber is particularily incredible. Here he is...
http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/viewer/wlc/testimony.php?RefId=ABG0049M

Maurice Pinay said...

I've never said about myself here that was untrue so I'm not sure what you base your credibility quip about.

You're an apologist for a religion which permits circumventing non-"Jews" by lying to them. Everything you state is suspect based upon that fact alone.

Growing up as a child of HOlocaust survivors you hear alot of people describing their experiences.

There isn't a person alive in the formerly civilized West who hasn't heard about it to the point of nausea in schools and universities, on television, in the movies, in books and magazines, on the radio, from the mouths of politicians and government officials, in taxpayer funded holocaust museums, in lectures, in mandatory ADL produced sensitivity training classes at work, etc., etc., ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

And here you are crying about it on my blog. This thread is about a forced apology from German Bishops, not "the holocaust." Any further crying about your alleged victimhood will be removed.

Anonymous said...

Itschak, your sob story has one big element wrong in it: the supposed gas chambers. Revisionists have had a field day with this aspect of the so-called "Holocaust" because it is logistically impossible, among other things. Even US gas chambers, to kill inmates, have had problems; how much more this alleged gas chamber.

Anonymous said...

Sorry. I meant to say, "Itzchak" (not with the "s".

Anonymous said...

maurice,
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Michael Mantra said...

Here is some irony...Auschwitz is the German name for the Polish town of Oswiecze...this town was a
center of the Jewish 'white slave trade'(both Slavic & Jewish women)
in the 19th century...my problem is
the Jewish perfidy in blaming Poles
for the 'Holocaust'...Poland was the friendliest country in Europe
to the Jews, even granting them a
form of 'autonomous' status...but
now the Jews condemn the Poles as Nazis...were there Poles who did not like/want Jews...yes...but there were reasons for this...in any event, in WWII the Poles were caught in a vice: Nazis on one side
& Bolsheviks ('Jewish-Bolsheviks')
on the other side...both 'isms' were of the Devil...now, after the
war Stalin made sure that the native Polish Socialist/Communists
were pushed to the side & Jewish communist installed to 'rule' the Poles...the Jews heartily embraced
this monstrosity because it was 'good for the Jews'...right now,in Jewish dominated Hungary, 2000 Israeli troops were called in
by the Jewish government because of fear of the native Hungarians'
celebration of the March 15 Day of
Independence...the Jews are not just 'innocent victims'

Itzchak said...

I had some responses here that weren't printed...
Maurice, did I hurt your feelings?

Itzchak said...

"It's a refusal to bow down before idols."
Every RC church I've ever seen has at least a few idols and often more and many people bowing down to them.

Anonymous said...

"Every RC church I've ever seen has at least a few idols and often more and many people bowing down to them."

Typical response from someone who thinks he knows what Catholicism is about, but is really willfully ignorant.

Itzchak said...

Those bleeding statues are not idols?

Anonymous said...

"Those bleeding statues are not idols?"

No, they aren't!! They are representations of people whom we venerate, just like the ancient Hebrews venerated Moses. Don't tell me the Ark of the Covenant didn't have statues either of cherubim and seraphim!

Itzchak said...

There's a difference between a very specifically mandated design (as the cherubim were) than statues everywhere which are definitely
'pesel' or graven images.

Anonymous said...

"There's a difference between a very specifically mandated design (as the cherubim were) than statues everywhere which are definitely
'pesel' or graven images."

Again, typical response from someone who thinks they know what Catholicism is about (or what God actually forbade), but persists in his ignorance.

Itzchak said...

What is your definition of a 'pesel'?

rev'd up said...

How about a golden calf?

"Pesel"... it sounds like something in a Samuel Beckett play.

Maurice Pinay said...

Every RC church I've ever seen has at least a few idols and often more and many people bowing down to them.

Yet, the people in those churches aren't lobbying to have those who don't bow down before their "idols" thrown in a dungeon for five years. The people in the synagogues, on the other hand ...

Itzchak said...

"How about a golden calf?"
What about the golden calf?
You surely know the story...

"Pesel"... it sounds like something in a Samuel Beckett play.
It's Hebrew which I'd recommend you to learn if you really want to know the Bible.
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"Yet, the people in those churches aren't lobbying to have those who don't bow down before their "idols" thrown in a dungeon for five years."
No, they're only praying/believing
that everyone else in the world condemend to eternal damnation for not bowing down to their idol.

Itzchak said...

"is condemned".

Maurice Pinay said...

No, they're only praying/believing
that everyone else in the world condemend to eternal damnation for not bowing down to their idol.


Your not-very-witty comments can't erase the fact that people are being thrown into dungeons for thought "crimes" against "The Holocaust." One can read the related articles and editorials in the Judaic press and the comments sections to see that the imprisonment of "Holocaust" thought "criminals" is viewed very favorably by a great percentage of Judaics. Indeed, you have never stated that you disagree with this Stalinist practice yourself.

The image you wish to portray of yourself as an innocent victim does seem a bit forced, given the circumstances.

Anonymous said...

You show yourself to be utterly, willfully, and maliciously ignorant of Roman Catholic teaching, as with the Talmudic rabbis, itchak.

Itzchak said...

"You show yourself to be utterly, willfully, and maliciously ignorant of Roman Catholic teaching"
Please enlighten me...You don't believe that someone who does not believe in JC is condemned to hell...?
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"Indeed, you have never stated that you disagree with this Stalinist practice yourself."

Stalinist? Germany/Austria are following Stalinist ideology?

Maurice Pinay said...

Stalinist? Germany/Austria are following Stalinist ideology?

Imprisonment of people for not thinking "correct" thoughts can certainly be described as Stalinist no matter what nation is occurs in.

Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, "Israel," Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Switzerland, (and soon, Italy), have laws which criminalize thought "crimes" against official "Holocaust" dictates.

These "holocaust denial" laws were not initiated by the will of the citizens of these nations, of course. It is due to relentless lobbying and pressure from Judaic power organizations such as the ADL, WJC, Simon Weisenthal Center, Yad Vashem, powerful rabbis and Israeli politicians that these nations have adopted these Stalinist laws and punishments which you apparently endorse yourself.

It's always the same story. Pressure non-Judaic civil authorities to do the dirty work. Read the Christian Gospel. It's all laid out there. If more Christians understood the Gospel of their religion correctly they wouldn't fall so easily time and again for this overused gambit.

Itzchak said...

Pressure non-Judaic civil authorities to do the dirty work. Read the Christian Gospel. It's all laid out there. ''
I assume you're referring to the pressure on Pontius Pilat "story"?

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"If more Christians understood the Gospel of their religion correctly they wouldn't fall so easily time and again for this overused gambit. "

I know it's rough....if more people listened to you, then all will be good. Us "Judaics" are really lucky that the "goyim" are so "dumb".

So is it true that all those human beings who do not take "JC" as their "Savior", are condemned to hell?

Itzchak said...

oops...."hell"?

Maurice Pinay said...

It's true that the rabbis teach that the "Jewish" soul is a part of God above and that the soul of the non-"Jew" is of the demonic kelipot.

Itzchak said...

And you're obsession with the things you're obsessed with seems to prove them right.

Maurice Pinay said...

And you're obsession with the things you're obsessed with seems to prove them right.

Dear itzchak, you've entered more posts on my blog than I have. Who's obsessed?

Anonymous said...

No Catholic wishes a non-Catholic go to Hell, but when they still refuse to repent and to believe in Jesus Christ when they die, they are lost forever, according to Catholic doctrine. Unlike the writers of the Talmud, who condemn Jesus to Hell in excrement.

Itzchak said...

"Dear itzchak, you've entered more posts on my blog than I have. Who's obsessed?"
I'm doing this for the fun of this, and to see what I can learn about this perspective. There will come a time when I'll be bored of this nonsense and go on to something more edifying.
I have a feeling you'll go to your grave with this hatred and with huge disappointment that the children of Israel are even more powerful than they are now.

Itzchak said...

"Unlike the writers of the Talmud, who condemn Jesus to Hell in excrement."
Wow, that's rough...I bet he's really glad Judaism doesn't believe in hell.