Wednesday, March 28, 2007

Cardinal Seán Patrick O'Malley at ADL Seder

Cardinal Seán Patrick O'Malley of Boston has an online blog. There he states:

On Thursday evening I participated in the Anti-Defamation League’s “Nation of Immigrants” Community Seder that took place at The Castle at Park Plaza in Boston.

Last year I gave a speech to the Jewish community in which I told them about a Seder meal that I organized in Washington with the Hispanic Community many years ago. In response to my talk, this year the ADL has organized a multicultural Seder inviting many ethnic and religious groups. Andrew Tarsy, ADL regional director and Diane Rosenbaum, Senior Associate Director did a wonderful job organizing the event. It was a lovely evening.



Andrew Tarsy, ADL regional director and Cardinal Seán Patrick O'Malley of Boston



The booklets explained each step of the ritual.



Cardinal Seán Patrick O'Malley of Boston eating Matzah



Cardinal Seán Patrick O'Malley of Boston passes the bitter herbs



Cardinal Seán Patrick O'Malley of Boston announcing that Benedict XVI has named Rabbi Leon Klenicki of the ADL to the Papal Order of St. Gregory


"... just as it would be a mortal sin now for anyone, in making a profession of faith, to say that Christ is yet to be born, which the fathers of old said devoutly and truthfully; so too it would be a mortal sin now to observe those ceremonies which the fathers of old fulfilled with devotion and fidelity." (St. Thomas, Summa Theologica I, II, q. 103, Art. 4)


(8) Let me also say this to those who are our own-if I must call our own those who side with the Jews. Go to the synagogues and see if the Jews have changed their fast; see if they kept the pre-Paschal fast with us; see if they have taken food on that day. But theirs is not a fast; it is a transgression of the law, it is a sin, it is trespassing. Yet they did not change. But you did change your glory and from it you will derive no profit; you did go over to their rites.

(9) Did the Jews ever observe our pre-Paschal fast? Did they ever join us in keeping the feast of the martyrs? Did they ever share with us the day of the Epiphanies? They do not run to the truth, but you rush to transgression. I call it a transgression because their observances do not occur at the proper time. Once there was a proper time when they had to follow those observances, but now there is not. That is why what was once according to the Law is now opposed to it. (St. John Chrysostom, Homily IV, Against the Jews and the Trumpets of their Pasch)


However condemning these words from two Doctors of the Church may be, they don't fully exemplify the magnitude of the offense. These Seders taking place in so many Catholic parishes are not the same Passover ceremony celebrated by Christ as it is dishonestly claimed. These ceremonies are a counterfeit, like everything in rabbinic Judaism. There are Talmudic benedictions and rituals in these Seders which were formulated after Christ and therefore have no place in the Biblical tradition, before or after Christ. These Seders incorporate ritual which was formulated by rabbis of a "religion" founded upon the rejection of Jesus Christ. It would be less offensive to bring Hindu rituals into the Church for at least Hinduism isn't based in conscious rejection of Christ.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Loyal to the point of shedding blood? I think not.

Andrew said...

The commemoration of the Seder is specifically designated for Jews in commemoration of the exodus. It would make no sense for Christians to celebrate this as it was not commanded for them and as they never left Egypt.

Passover is an eternal celebration, Exodus 13:10. They're part of a tradition dating back to Moses, which those pagan Christians who entered the Church eventually rejected.

Predictably your attack on Jewish traditions come not via quotes from Jesus or the Apostles, who indeed celebrated Passover, but from Church authorities, who rejected what Jesus had practiced. In doing so it seems that they rejected Jesus as well.

Maurice Pinay said...

It would make no sense for Christians to celebrate this as it was not commanded for them and as they never left Egypt.

Moses is the Patriarch of Christians. The people who call themselves "Jews" have no genetic or religious claim to Moses. Pharoah is the Patriarch of rabbinic Judaism.

But I agree with you that it makes no sense for Christians to participate in Seders, for different reasons, of course.

Anonymous said...

Predictably your attack on Jewish traditions come not via quotes from Jesus or the Apostles, who indeed celebrated Passover, but from Church authorities, who rejected what Jesus had practiced. In doing so it seems that they rejected Jesus as well.

And how do you know this? The Bible is only one part of it, the other part is the Tradition handed down from the Apostles, and they state that Gentiles do not have to observe the Passover ritual.

Anonymous said...

Andrew......there were no such thing as Christians when Moses was in Egypt.

Maurice Pinay said...

Predictably your attack on Jewish traditions come not via quotes from Jesus or the Apostles, who indeed celebrated Passover ...

... until the time of Christ's death and resurrection, after which the Apostles no longer celebrated Passover as commemoration of the Exodus. They commemorated Christ's sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection--the defining events of their faith.

Andrew said...

You may consider Moses your patriarch, but that has nothing to do with it.

Passover commemorates G-d taking the Jews out of Egypt. It makes no sense for non-Jews to celebrate it. Your fathers were not taken out of slavery in Egypt.

As for your claim that Jews have no genetic or religious connection, the Jewish people represent an unbroken chain from father to son and father to son.

By contrast Christianity relies on someone else's religion and prophets, appropriating them, much as Islam would go on to appropriate Christianity.

"The Bible is only one part of it, the other part is the Tradition handed down from the Apostles, and they state that Gentiles do not have to observe the Passover ritual."

I believe that's the Christian equivalent of the Oral Law isn't it. But oral law is only as good as your tradition in the end.

G-d in the Bible commands us to celebrate passover. Do you expect us to put it aside for your oral law?

Annie said...

Where in the world did you get the idea the Apostles did not celebrate passover?
They most certainly did. See the history of the quartodecimen controversy which cost Polycarp the disciple of the apostle John his life!
Polycarp received the keeping of the bread and wine on Nissan 14 from St John and continued it his entire life.
Pesach was changed long after the death of John to accommodate the pagan converts.

Annie said...

to Anonymous

If you were Christian you would not say there were no such thing as Christians in the time of Moses as Moses most certainly spoke with Jesus on Sinai. Christianity certainly does teach that Jesus was the god of the Old Testament, Melchizedek etc.

Maurice Pinay said...

Your fathers were not taken out of slavery in Egypt.

Moses is the father of Christians.

As for your claim that Jews have no genetic or religious connection, the Jewish people represent an unbroken chain from father to son and father to son.

And I'll believe that whenever proof is shown. Good luck finding it.

By contrast Christianity relies on someone else's religion and prophets, appropriating them ...

It's the talmudic/kabbalistic/atheist Khazars who are doing the appropriating.

Maurice Pinay said...

See the history of the quartodecimen controversy which cost Polycarp the disciple of the apostle John his life!

This is a common fallacy of late.

The Quartodeciman Controversy was solely based on what date Christ's resurrection should be commemorated--Nissin 14 or on a Sunday--NOT having anything to do with whether Passover should be celebrated or not.

People who would suggest that the Apostles prioritized an anachronistic Passover ritual over the commemoration of Christ's death and resurrection and ultimately, the Mass, are not to be taken seriously by any thinking Christian.

Maurice Pinay said...

Pesach was changed long after the death of John to accommodate the pagan converts.

Nonsense.

The Passover was rendered an anachronism by Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

It was the decision of Anicetus (and ultimately, the Nicene Council) that the resurection should be celebrated on a Sunday each year because Christ's resurrection occurred on a Sunday. It has nothing to do with accomodating pagans or controversies of whether Passover should be celebrated or not.

Anonymous said...

annie.......Jesus Christ had not arrived in human flesh when Moses was alive.....hence no Christianity. The religion at the time was Hebrew not Christianity. To imply that I'm not a Christian based on that is absurd. Get your facts straight before you start crossing swords with people.

Anonymous said...

Andrew...please show me where it said that the "Jews" were taken out of Egypt.

I know the Israelites (Hebrews) were taken out of Egypt. I can't seem to find the reference to where the Jews were taken from Egypt.

While you're at it....show me where Abraham, Issac, and Jacob were called Jews.

The first time we see the term Jew used in the Old Testament is in the book of Kings where they are fighting the...Israelites.

Anonymous said...

where did anyone get this "tradition" that was handed down by the disciples?

the gospels are not a "tradition that were handed down," but were a testament to Jesus Christ.

Alan Aversa said...

Doesn't the Novus Ordo borrow elements from the Jewish Seder?…