I do not consider "Father" Nicholas Gruner nor "Father" Kramer religious or religious at all, of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Their "ordinations" are invalid. They are posing as clerics and mixing some Catholicism in order to obtain their agenda. It is a mess in the Traditional Movement! I like to refer to MOST traditional movements as using, a term I refer to as: TRADITIONAL EUCUMENISM. I do not consider myself a "Traditional" Catholic, just simply Roman Catholic and not affiliated with the False Novus Ordo church (which is truly not catholic). More people need to realize there is infultration everywhere, especially now in the "Traditional" movements and they are out to destroy Catholisicm! I won't even mention Christopher F. and John V. that is just plainly not worth it.
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