Friday, September 6, 2013

Bishop Williamson's Apocalyptic Theology of Human Blood Atonement

Also see: " ... the Church will suffer even more, with the consent of God who wants to purify his Church. It takes blood to wash away sin, says St. Paul. We shall see blood."

On the contrary: "Christ['s blood] was offered once to exhaust the sins of many," says St. Paul. "He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world," says St. John.


Geremia said...

Oh, yes, his 7 Ages of the Church lecture was awesome.

Maurice Pinay said...

It's amazing that for so many years he's been preaching that God's justice demands human blood as expiation for sin without anyone (that I am aware of) questioning it.

It's no surprise that this interview is distributed by the same outlet that distributes Malachi Martin's interviews in which he makes claims about Christ so blasphemous that they surpass the rabbis in depravity.

Geremia said...

"God's justice demands human blood as expiation for sin"

Did he really say human blood expiates for sin?

Maurice Pinay said...

Have you listened to the interview and read the letter linked to?

Grizzly said...

Maybe my question is bit off topic.
What's the position of bp Williamson on usury ?
Is he informed about connections with judaics Gutmann and thier dirty money and SSPX in Austria ?

Geremia said...

Can you please tell me what is theologically wrong with saying "God's justice demands human blood as expiation for sin"?

Maurice Pinay said...

The most obvious problem with that idea is that it's baseless and untrue. But further, it makes a mockery of Christ's perfect sacrifice. As St Thomas says, "Christ's Passion was not only a sufficient but a superabundant atonement for the sins of the human race; according to 1 John 2:2: 'He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." Justice is more than satisfied by Christ's sacrifice alone.

There's no accounting fully for the absurdity of the notion in question, it takes us backwards, not only pre-Calvary, but even to some sort of Moloch god which demands human sacrifice for transgression. But as we know, no human sacrifice can fully satisfy God's justice which is the reason for the Incarnation and perfect sacrifice of Christ in the first place. The Moloch kind of god endlessly demands more and more blood but is never satisfied. The real God is more than satisfied by the blood of Christ's perfect sacrifice. So to talk of God's justice demanding human blood in addition to this is absurd.

What is even more troubling is that this message is coupled with allusions to a Noah's ark-scale catastrophe, which the rabbis and the banker-run establishment themselves are also currently ginning up for obvious reasons that have been stated here many times, primarily that a society fixated on "The End" doesn't plan and work for the future other than to stockpile some supplies and hunker down in the basement.

Counterfeit Israel, on the other hand, is planning and working towards its future. And for whatever time is left until the actual judgement, perhaps millennia, they will inherit the earth if all Christians do is wait for an "imminent" end that may not come for thousands of years, God knows.

There is perhaps no better historically documented human foolishness than the litany of end times prophesies that never came to pass. Bp. Williamson puts himself in the company of Charles Taze Russell, Harold Camping el al with his message of certainty that then end is imminent.

Any one of us could die tomorrow of a stroke, heart attack, car accident or an anvil falling on our head. It's not for us to know when our individual or collective end will come, so says Christ in one of His most willfully ignored, yet important teachings(Matthew 24;36)

It's enough for us to live according to the Gospel each day planning and working for a future that is watched over by a God so providential that He gave us His Son as a perfect sacrifice in satisfaction for our sins; that does not require human blood atonement as 'justice.'

Geremia said...

What Bp. Williamson says is that if satisfaction is not made in the true Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, then human blood will flow as a punishment. I didn't hear him claim that human blood can make satisfaction; it cannot.

Christ's blood is more than sufficient for satisfaction. However, we must "fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ" (Col. 1:24), and this involves martyrs' blood.

Anonymous said...

You really believe +Williamson was teaching theology in that excerpt?!! You have to be malicious, IMHO, to believe +Williamson doesn't know Jesus suffered for all our sins once and for all and satisfied for them! If you mistake theology for an analogy (a very imperfect one, I grant you), then I don't know what to say!

Maurice Pinay said...

Alan Aversa, This statement, "... the Church will suffer even more, with the consent of God who wants to purify his Church. It takes blood to wash away sin, says St. Paul. We shall see blood" is clearly a prophesy of human blood being shed in expiation of sin.

It is also a grave misrepresentation of St. Paul who is speaking of the anachronism of animal blood sacrifice under Mosaic Law which has been made obsolete by Christ's perfect sacrifice (Hebrews 9;19-28) " [19] For when every commandment of the law had been read by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, [20] Saying: This is the blood of the testament, which God hath enjoined unto you.

[21] The tabernacle also and all the vessels of the ministry, in like manner, he sprinkled with blood. And almost all things, according to the law, are cleansed with blood: and without shedding of blood there is no remission. It is necessary therefore that the patterns [ie. prefigurements] of heavenly things should be cleansed with these: but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. [24] For Jesus is not entered into the holies made with hands, the patterns of the true: but into heaven itself, that he may appear now in the presence of God for us. [25] Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holies, every year with the blood of others:

[Challoner footnote:25] Offer himself often: Christ shall never more offer himself in sacrifice, in that violent, painful, and bloody manner, nor can there be any occasion for it: since by that one sacrifice upon the cross, he has furnished the full ransom, redemption, and remedy for all the sins of the world. But this hinders not that he may offer himself daily in the sacred mysteries in an unbloody manner, for the daily application of that one sacrifice of redemption to our souls.

[26] For then he ought to have suffered often from the beginning of the world: but now once at the end of ages, he hath appeared for the destruction of sin, by the sacrifice of himself. [27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment: [28] So also Christ was offered once to exhaust the sins of many; the second time he shall appear without sin to them that expect him unto salvation.

Maurice Pinay said...

"You have to be malicious, IMHO, to believe +Williamson doesn't know ..."


Regretfully, it's due to facing the facts of Bp. Williamson's other manifold 'eccentricities,' as they are often euphemized, (e.g. promotion of the "Poem of the Man God," Malachi Martin, Rabbi Schiller, Charles Coulombe, etc) that I am unable to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case.

It's pretty clear what message he is communicating here anyhow.

Geremia said...

Yeah, what's up with his promotion of the Poem of the Man God?

Hans said...

To AA.: "then human blood will flow as a punishment." but then "However, we must "fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ" (Col. 1:24), and this involves martyrs'

Your two statements rule each other out.

Colossians refers to afflictions and persecution, which may involve bloodshed or not. The verse mentions "sufferings" which is something different than "a flow of human blood" for punishment.

Secondly Paul talks about his (or the holy ones) plight, which is certainly not a punishment, especially not in the sense of an atonement.

pjl_u2 said...

Bishop Williamson is not mistaken on the question that blood shall flow...and it shant be long that it increases for as My Brethren in Syria and Egypt suffer, "WE" sit in comfort and watch 'merikan football while MASONIC France, ZIONIST GB and the ZIONIST MASONIC USSA fund the very people persecuting MY Brethren?
Orthodox Russia is OUR Ally:
Is 13:6- Hurlez car il est proche, le jour de Yahvé(Jesus Christ), il arrive comme une dévastation de Shaddaï(????).

Maurice Pinay said...

Blood has been flowing since Cain killed Abel. That is not the issue. The issue is the suggestion that human blood is atonement for sin. According your theory, extrapolated from Bp. Williamson's, it would appear that you believe that the Christians of Egypt and Syria, by their bloodshed, atone for the sins of France, England and the U.S. I strongly disagree with this.